The 8th Annual MAD World Summit

Nervousness about talking about Health and Wellbeing issues, especially DEI, and which words ‘should’ and ‘should not’ now be used, emerged as one of the central themes of this year’s Watercooler Event. 

Delegates and speakers praised the event for offering a safe space where professionals could talk openly with their peers about how to handle this tricky topic, discussing real life scenarios they are experiencing. The importance of bringing people together is particularly pertinent this week given it’s Mental Health Awareness Week and the theme is ‘community’.

Importance of community

One Director of Global Benefits at a FMCG company, who is part of the Make A Difference Media Leaders’ Club, said:

“It’s always useful to have a community of leaders who you can share your thoughts with and bounce ideas off, or get feedback. You get to speak to people in the same role but at different organisations so you get different ideas. Definitely, stepping out to events like this is really, really helpful. Yes we are all busy but it’s up to us to make that time and come and do it. The intent needs to be there.”

Many sessions and workshops touched on language, with attendees recounting stories of certain words being surreptitiously removed from company literature, and others saying reactions to the backlash were more overt. 

For instance, in a session on neurodiversity speaker Wendy Macartney, Psychologist & Senior People Business Partner at Nedbank Private Wealth International, said the audience’s questions about language opened up a very helpful, “human” discussion.

Human conversations

She said:

“When we focus on semantics, people get confused. I think we need to let people say what they say. That doesn’t mean, of course, being cruel but it means that we accept when someone uses another word, or one that is similar [to the one we might prefer they use].”

She added that to foster understanding between people who hold different views, and perhaps use different language, “human connection” is essential:

“That’s why face to face events like The Watercooler are so important. They make a huge difference. You can meet people and interact with them and you have the opportunity to change minds and share information.”

Language naturally evolves

Macartney said that conflict, too, is best explored “face to face”. Her experience of bringing different people together in the office has been that it leads to a more “human” interaction. With this humanness, the language between people often naturally changes and becomes more understanding of each others’ perspectives.

Fellow speaker Selina Suresh, Head of Organisational Development & Inclusion ODI Global, who spoke on ‘Why Gender Equality Is Best for Men’, agreed:

“What I loved about the audience’s questions is they showed their comfort to ask what they were really thinking, versus shying away from a question. I loved how questions got into the practical of ‘what do I actually do in this situation?’. So, it’s not just talking about the problem or theory. It’s important at events that people go back to the office knowing what they would actually do.”

Over medicalisation of language

Some speakers and audience members also argued that Health and Wellbeing language has become “over medicalised” in the workplace. Others said they are finding new ways to talk about DEI without actually saying this acronym, or other potentially ‘triggering’ words like ‘diversity’ or, even, in some cases ‘inclusivity’.

For instance, one speaker spoke about delivering a DEI session to a large American corporation but positioning it, instead, as “leadership development”. While this may at first appear to be ‘turning against’ DEI, delegates discussed how this approach actually makes it easier for leadership to engage with the issues and for strategies to be embedded across the entire organisation, not just in siloes. 

Think about the outcome you want

Speakers urged audience members to bear the outcome in mind and find creative ways to keep DEI on the leadership agenda. The theme of embedding Health and Wellbeing from the top, across the organisation, also came up repeatedly across the Day 2 Agenda of the Watercooler’s 4 streams: 1) Strategies & Leadership for Engagement & Culture 2) Prevention, Intervention, Holistic & Inclusive Wellbeing 3) The Office 4) Workshops.

One innovative way to do this mentioned was by treating the office as an employee Health and Wellbeing benefit. With so many employers adopting a hybrid model, the office is ideally placed to lead company culture in terms of how wellbeing, connection, collaboration, community, different ages/stages/ backgrounds/ working styles are cultivated.

Speaker Sofi Musleh, Executive DEI Leader, commented that she valued the discussion in one session, on Women’s Health, to engage leadership by promoting a “broader definition of ROI”.

She said:

“This was discussed in the empowering inclusive women’s health talk. It asked: what are you actually, systemically, changing for your place to be more inclusive?’ and the need for it to become part of the DNA of the organisation. It covered the fact that a lot of these conversations get lost in the conversation about ROI. But, when employers look at DEI issues on a bigger scale, the ROI is much broader in terms of employment, or even marketplace value for your company and the recognition it has.”

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Are different thoughts, ideas and opinions no longer valued at work?

The CIPD reported in 2019 that only a quarter of employees can freely express themselves at work, particularly in the public sector. 

But, since then other events have increased global conflict and polarisation; new ways of working, a cost-of-living crisis, the DEI backlash, exponential AI growth, to name a few.

Consequently there are two camps: a small number who feel they can speak their truth (sometimes without thinking of the consequences), and many others who are afraid to express opinions. 

Diverse opinions are key to success

But clear communications and diverse opinions are key for workplace success. What does it mean for them? For sharing ideas with respect? If three in ten don’t feel comfortable taking risks and sharing thoughts with others in the organisation, are differing thoughts, ideas and opinions genuinely no longer valued?

Why is the problem worse at the moment? 

There is an increased social threat and fear of having to choose between peer acceptance and our own moral boundaries; these lines continue to become blurred through social media. 

Not caring about consequences

It is well documented, and many of us have experienced, that sharing opinions (especially online) without caring about consequences means people feel they have the right and the space to say anything. 

Worse still, those with platforms speak up, worryingly influencing those who don’t fact-check or are afraid to think otherwise. Group psychology means a herd effect, and we are more likely to follow vociferous people. We may even alter our values and morals to conform. 

Many of us have become too frightened to speak up for fear of a negative reaction, no reaction or support. It’s even harder in a toxic culture when we are also frightened of losing our jobs in a difficult economic climate.  

The psychology of speaking up

When choosing to speak out, the brain considers two factors: how confident we are in our opinion, and how much we want to be accepted or seen as polite. We know that people with low confidence tend to adjust their answers even if they go against their moral standpoint and are more likely to follow the crowd. Individuals also conform more to certain opinions if they receive confirmation and validation from someone else. 

‘Cognitive dissonance’ is the uncomfortable feeling of having two or more conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes simultaneously. It means we have to change our thinking to find some sort of outcome and balance. This can be caused by a need for compliance. We end up absorbing the emotional toll of this internally, possibly leading to burnout, stress, and anxiety.

Conflict; harder to think

Conflict makes it harder to think clearly by impairing cognitive flexibility and reducing emotional regulation responses. The brain views conflict as a threat and heightens emotions, triggering instinctive responses such as fight, flight, or freeze. 

But viewing a difference in opinion as conflict means we have lost the art of conversation, lost connections with one another, and cannot give feedback on what we have just heard. It is affecting our resilience which is a skill that improves problem-solving, leadership, relationships, and well-being in the workplace. 

Signs that the workplace doesn’t value opinions:

• A shift in workplace dynamics where there is now a toxic environment

• An ultra-sensitive culture where workers are walking on eggshells, frightened to say anything or overly trying to do the right thing all the time

• Group-speak with few willing to challenge the status quo and speak up, disagree, or share a differing opinion

• Minorities silence themselves out of fear or isolation and worry about rejection or negative repercussions. Maybe top performers/ creatives have become silent observers 

• A sense of unfairness all the time

• There is a lot of conflict and complaints that are left unresolved

The pros of sharing our thoughts and opinions:

Employee voice is crucial for organisational success, innovation, communication, problem solving, performance and employee wellbeing, engagement and autonomy.

Learning to overcome our fears and speaking up can build confidence, develop team connections, improve resilience and positively influence others to share. 

Seven key ways to ensure we speak up in the workplace:

1) Create the right space: value conversation and create opportunities for it in the office and online. Cultivate an open-door culture and create feedback loops or surveys to prioritise communication.

2) Create a culture of learning from mistakes:ensure mistake are not deterrents for people from speaking up or trying again and is instead seen as an opportunity for learning and growth.

3) Find common ground: reiterate shared corporate values to build trust so employees can begin to feel safer contributing and are likely to become more involved.

4) Have visible leadership: leaders can show others how to speak up, communicate well, model transparency, be present to listen to new ideas and include others.

5) Support your line managers with skills like reading between the lines and picking up when things are left unsaid. Train them to actively listen and welcome diverse opinions.

6) Help employees become more confident to share by initiating conversations, especially with those who are suffering from imposter syndrome or those who are more introverted or neurodiverse. Level the playing field. Cognitive dissonance can be reduced by understanding that your voice is valuable, as are others. Not speaking up seems safer, but speaking up could help you, your colleagues, and the business as a whole.

7) As well as training managers, employers can also support all employees with skills to help them express themselves, especially in stressful or high pressure moments. Metacognition, for example, is being aware of one’s own thinking and can be trained so we can reframe our response to different opinions so they are not seen as a threat which prevents us from sharing ours respectfully.

About the author

Dr Lynda Shaw is a Behavioural Neuroscientist and Leadership Psychologist and Founder of Brain & Behaviour Ltd and the Consciousness Academy. She works with leaders to tackle challenges like fear, bias, and unlocking hidden potential and helps employers build more productive teams, make smarter decisions faster, and create a stronger sense of belonging among teams.

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One of the challenges we’re constantly being asked is: how do we get our senior management to buy-in to Health and Wellbeing? We put this question to Executive Vice President at Bosch, Arun Srinivasan.

He is an advocate for employee wellbeing having done different types of training himself, such as work on resilience with consultancy Awaris, which transformed his thinking and approach.

This work looked at the results of a resilience assessment in which four key themes were identified to strengthening collective resilience and handling of stress:

• connection to purpose
• attention and focus in a fragmented world
• positive outlook
• connection and wellbeing

We spoke to Arun for more on his views on the Health and Wellbeing function…

How do we get Senior Leaders to buy-into things like training which focuses on Health and Wellbeing, and understand their importance?

Health and Wellbeing is an integral part of business.

We have an open style of leadership here, which means that often teams take the initiative themselves, facilitated by HR, and take on the training they believe is necessary for them. 

It makes sense to ensure that your people are able to take on the stress of a job but also, at the same time, you’re motivating them and ensuring they’re able to deliver to their potential. Why else would you pay someone a salary and recruit them, but not give them the tools they need to be successful?

As a leader, when it comes to people and how to help your people thrive, what’s been the most useful training or experience you’ve had?

Over a period of about a decade, we worked with a psychologist to understand the implications of organisational behaviour and politics. It was about understanding people and character, which was extremely useful for the leadership team. 

Why was it so useful for the leadership team?

I suppose we learned a lot more about ourselves. 

We looked at why and how people talk. It’s helpful to understand what kind of person you’re speaking to and how your message is landing. It makes you think about how you would deliver a message so it makes sense to the other person.

And we had to be very honest as a leadership team, amongst ourselves, examining our own characters, motivation and prejudices. We had to ask ourselves questions like: am I doing this to support my ego, or is it the right outcome for the company, or the situation? 

You have to create a safe environment for those questions or people will find a way of avoiding them.

It’s been brilliant as it’s given us a language of conversation within the leadership team.

Even a senior person will stand in front of the mirror sometimes and ask: am I doing the right thing?

It’s important to be able to have honest conversations that require a certain understanding that the relationship is steady and there is a certain amount of resilience among the individuals involved. That is where you can make real progress.

We write a lot about psychological safety and creating an environment where people feel comfortable making mistakes. What do you think about this idea?

It’s critical to be able to say ‘why did that happen?’ and ‘what could we have done differently?’

Humans are not like software packages. They need to grow into their roles and challenges and for that they need a safe environment to try things out and make decisions on their own.

A mentor or a coach can also really help in this process. This has also worked well amongst the leadership team.

Can you tell me about your work with Awaris?

I watched Chris [Chris Tamdjidi, Managing Director, Awaris] do a session in Germany with some of our senior leadership and I reached out to him. 

The thing about Awaris that appealed to me is that you can get a lot of this information from things like reading books but, for me, it’s the experiential aspect of learning that really gets the message home.

It’s personally going on a journey that makes all the difference. You can, of course, watch lots of content and collect knowledge, but it’s not the same as an experience. 

We did a lot of work on how you pick up issues that may be going on in your organisation, or with a colleague.

How do you believe you achieve cultural change in an organisation?

Organisational transformation of magnitude is driven by people much more than processes. It’s important to understand the human side and you have to bring your people along for the journey.

So often companies focus on getting the financials right, then the product right, and then the process right… Almost, as an afterthought, businesses consider the people side. But that is the wrong way round. 

The power of any transformation comes from people.

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Day 2 of The Watercooler Event continued to deliver valuable insight from industry leaders about what has worked for them (and not worked) from a strategic to practical level.

For example, two executives from British Airways took to Theatre 2’s Stage – the Prevention, Intervention, Holistic and Inclusive Wellbeing stream – to talk about how the business has successfully reduced absence and increased productivity through its musculoskeletal health strategy.

As mental health sometimes attracts the limelight, the importance of physical health, and its close connection with mental health, can be overlooked. But as Lina Chauhan, Muscoloskeletal and Ergonomic Specialist at BA Health Services pointed out, a quarter of all absence from work is actually attributed to musculoskeletal ill health, a figure that is only set to rise with the ageing workforce and later retirement ages.

Link between physical and mental health

Recognition of the link between musculoskeletal health and mental health is central to the way BA is now supporting its colleagues, the vast majority of whom have jobs which require constant heavy lifting, pushing and pulling.

The employer reinvented its approach to physical health to “encapsulate the person as a whole”, said Chauhan, recognising that physical injuries “affect everyone” in terms of “how we feel in work or at home”. 

She added that the new strategy moved British Airways towards “preventative and proactive management”, rather than reactive, which has traditionally been the way occupational health has typically dealt with musculoskeletal problems.

“Our vision was to transform from a reactive to a more strategic and impactful approach,” said Chauhan. “We wanted work to be seen as part of the rehab because it’s important to be in work for body and mind. But, in the past, the model has been ‘fall ill, take time off work, get well, come back’.”

New rehab centre in T5

The first step was to use data, analysing what colleagues had said in surveys had affected their work in terms of physical health and British Airways used this to set up a rehabilitation centre in the heart of the new T5 terminal. The fact that this is prime retail space in the airport sent a strong message to employees about how seriously leadership is taking the health and wellbeing of its people.

But as she stressed, the message isn’t only related to work; it’s important to her that employees understand British Airways wants to keep people “strong and fit so they continue to have a good quality of life into retirement too”.

Rehabilitation, however, goes much further than just standard physiotherapy support; all support is now personalised and tailored to that person’s job and the physical strength they need for the activities they do. Support also includes tailored rehab classes on an ongoing basis.

Collaboration with Health and Wellbeing

“The feedback has been great. Employees are astonished that British Airways has invested in them like this, and it’s something they can do in work time,” said Chauhan.

Key to the success of the new strategy has been collaborating with the wellbeing team, especially given the well-evidenced links between poor physical health leading to poor mental health, with those suffering persistent pain four times more likely to develop depression.

Maurice O’Connor, Wellbeing Manager at BA, explained that alongside the focus on musculoskeletal health the employer has launched new communications aimed to encourage employees to use the breath of support available.

The ‘Big Check In’

For instance, ‘The Big Check In’, raising awareness of the importance of learning your key numbers around your health, and the ‘Personal Safety Card’ detailing ways employees can be proactive about their health, with details of health provision on the back of the card.

The most successful element of this awareness campaign, however, has been offering access to the celebrity fitness personality, the Body Coach Joe Wick’s app.  

“This is probably one of the most successful launches we’ve done in terms of engagement because there’s an awareness of him already so they can see a real benefit in free access to his app. Not only that, we took the off the shelf product and tailored some content just for British Airways, with Joe recording workouts on site,” said O’Connor.

Measuring beyond absenteeism

To measure success, the team looked at the usual effect of physiotherapy on return to work rates over the last few years in order to predict the ROI for the impact of an intervention like the new centre. But as well as this the team stressed the importance of measuring the value that employees say this kind of support brings them and how engaged they are in the provision.

“We want to look at what really matters to individuals and how they feel about their day to day activities as a result,” said Chauhan.

This echoed what other speakers said at The Watercooler throughout the day about the importance, and benefit, in developing a broader understanding of Health and Wellbeing and related metrics beyond the usual measures like absenteeism.

Employers need to prioritise humanness and connection to avoid sleep-walking into an automated, isolated workplace which is bad for wellbeing and productivity: this was a key theme speakers were warning delegates about today, on the first day of The Watercooler Event at Excel London.

As Peter Cheese, CEO of the CIPD, emphasised in a panel session on AI, it’s crucial that the industry “consciously designs” good work, but too many are currently slipping into tech-led cultures which sideline humanity and connection.

“We need to lean in as a profession to design jobs of the future. There’s big opportunities but we need to design them. It won’t happen by accident,” he said. 

AI is the greatest mirror yet

A particular opportunity he cited was the ability for AI to be the “greatest mirror yet created to understand inherent human bias”. This awareness would then enable organisations to better tackle bias in their individual cultures.

He added that this would require addressing tough questions about what it means to be human and what kind of humanity we want to design into the workplace of the future.

“The more we talk about tech, the more I’m hearing about the importance of human skills like collaboration, critical thinking and empathy. We need to train our managers better through this change,” he said.

The panel agreed that there are many positive opportunities for AI to boost both productivity and wellbeing by facilitating connection and humanness, rather than detracting from these. 

Free up time for people related work

Kirstin Furber, People Director, Channel 4, for example, advocated for using AI to free up time for more “challenging” people related work to enhance working relationships. Similarly, with tasks like copywriting and preparing presentations, while AI can increase productivity and reduce stress by saving time, it only works she said “if we add the human element ourselves”.

Likewise in the session on the future of EAPs, a key point to emerge was that employers can have all the sophisticated technological solutions in place but, if you don’t communicate to employees about them in a human, relatable way, you will not get high uptake. 

Panellist Farah Khan, EMEA Head of Wellness at Goldman Sachs, who spoke about how a new approach using Lyra Health had led to an increase in EAP uptake said:

“It’s all about how you package your support. It can be confusing for employees. Should they use the EAP? PMI? The NHS? You have to communicate that you will help them understand the support there for them. It has to be succinct and relatable.”

Humanise work again

Similarly, Dr Eliza Filby, Author of Inheritocracy, in her fireside chat with Dame Carol Black about the multigenerational workforce emphasised the power of connection and humanness to create thriving workplace cultures which work for all ages.

She called on the industry to put human to human connection at the heart of their intergenerational strategies as the best way to foster better, more productive working relationships. She talked about the detrimental effects of the “destroyed bonds of connection” in society – like the demise of the Church, increased remote working and automisation of daily living, such as automated supermarket checkouts – and how this has created an opportunity and responsibility for employers to provide essential connection to fill the wellbeing gap.

“We have so few human interactions now. Life is being dehumanised. And at work we’ve tried to turn robots into humans, and humans into robots. We need to get back to humanising the culture of work, and that doesn’t mean running a wellbeing programme. It means giving time and space to delivering human-centric management and connecting on a human level.”

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Tackling conflicts head-on is basic to avoid being taken hostage. When we do not address a problem and take action to solve it, due to passivity or the inability to make a clear choice, we are acting like a hostage. 

When we have a hostage mind-set, we come to believe in the mind’s eye that a problem cannot be solved and so, interestingly enough, find ways not to solve it. 

But, in fact, the opposite is possible: learning to enjoy solving conflicts is a possibility for everyone.

Maintaining the bond through conflict

A secret of successful conflict resolution is the ability to continually maintain the bond and to re-bond when a bond is broken too quickly, for whatever reason.

Taking a positive approach to conflict involves understanding that bonding is fundamental to any resolution. Being curious and creative, and searching for compromise and cooperation, have their own rewards.

The manifestations of conflict are many, yet the principles for resolving conflict are simple.

Understanding and knowing the complexity of conflict and, at the same time, understanding its simplicity is an essential mind-set that we have observed in great peacemakers, mediators, and hostage negotiators. 

It can be dangerous to see only complexity or only simplicity. Managing this paradox is the dilemma in every conflict situation.

4 Fundamental principles

As used by hostage negotiators, there are four fundamental principles to resolve conflict successfully:

1. Never create an enemy

Transform adversaries into allies and partners. This is a fundamental principle of transactional analysis, as expressed in Eric Berne’s phrase “I’m OK, you’re OK.”

This idea is both a central truth and a fundamental tool in communicating mutual respect, positive regard, and cooperation. Every transaction must carry the power of this message – even when using strong, limit-setting boundaries, referred to as “tough love.”

2. The person is never the problem

Separate the person from the problem and focus on the issues to be resolved, not the individual.

This is a basic principle to avoid escalations in the conflict-resolution process. It can be counterintuitive because our culture promotes the “demonising” of individuals in the political and religious arena, in children’s literature, and in Hollywood films.

It is hardly surprising then that we tend to personalise a conflict at work or at home, unless we have learned another model from strong secure bases.

Often, the thinking is that if only we can get rid of the person, then everything will be okay. This is a mind-set challenge and, once mastered, will prevent us from being taken hostage in the emotions of a conflict. 

It is all too easy to view someone who is different from us in any way – be it appearance, language,culture, attitude, or approach – as a potential threat or enemy.

This is a poor base for dialogue and is likely to lead to an emotional standoff.

As our businesses are increasingly global and our workplaces and cities become more and more diverse, the possibilities for misunderstanding are immense. It is easy for a person to feel attacked or threatened, and therefore every effort must be made to separate the person from the problem.

3. Maintain a sincere desire to help the other person get what they want or need

It is all too easy to become hostages to ourselves by overemphasising what we want without first communicating a sincere and authentic desire to help the other.

We must maintain the bond with the other person in every transaction, verbal and nonverbal, by showing interest in what they want as well as what we want. Saying no, or putting the fish on the table, can be done as part of showing interest in the other person’s wants or needs.

Sometimes the underlying battle in the conflict is to get the detached manager to show appropriate and authentic interest in the wellbeing of team members.

The independent loners must learn to bond and show interest in people if they want to become effective leaders.

4. Never be hijacked by attacks and intense emotions

Never take aggressive words or actions personally.

Keep your thoughts clear and never lose sight of the goal.

When you feel like withdrawing or attacking someone, quickly cancel that thought in your mind’s eye and replace it with a desire to help or a desire to carry on in your personal or professional role. Have you ever done or said something that you regretted later? 

You were quite simply taken hostage.

About the author

Professor George Kohlrieser, is Professor of Leadership and Organisational Behaviour at the International Institute for Management Development (IMD). He is co-author, with Andrew Kohlrieser, of Hostage at the Table (2nd edition), and this article is adapted from an extract of this book about ‘Forming bonds in high pressure environments’.

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Training leaders and managers is constantly cited as one of the most impactful things an employer can do to improve the Health and Wellbeing of its employee base.

Leadership development is a key topic being covered at the forthcoming Watercooler Event on 7th & 8th May at ExCel in London, with sessions on ‘How to create a thriving workplace culture and survive a toxic one’, case studies on building thriving workplaces and ‘overcoming silos to focus on leadership development’.

For more information on The Watercooler, see the foot of this article

Yet, despite the recognition that this is important, there’s also evidence that line managers are getting worse at supporting team members (see this article) due to the increasing number of demands landing on their desks, alongside shrinking resources.

One of the biggest obstacles is the lack of time available for training and making line managers themselves feel supported and psychologically safe. However, some employers – like Knight Frank Promise, in this case – are recognising that there needs to be new thinking and prioritisation around investing in this time and training. The firm hired mental health and wellbeing consultancy PVL following a mental health crisis in order to help them do this.

We spoke to Siobhan Bird, Head of People and Culture at Knight Frank Promise, to find out more…

Can you tell me what prompted you to take on PVL to do leadership wellbeing training?

Yes. We’d been created as a subsidiary of the Knight Frank group. It was an exciting time, we’d appointed a new leadership team and there was a real opportunity to make a mark.

Then our Managing Director got a call one Sunday afternoon to say that, sadly, one of his team members had taken their own life that weekend. Understandably, he was very affected by this as he’d not seen it coming, even though this person had been at work all week and had attended a work social. It felt like a bolt out of the blue.

It really knocked everyone for six. And we were really struck by the questions: How did we not know? Could we have done something differently? How could we make a difference in the future?

That year, one of our people won an inspiration award for championing openness in mental health, part of the award was a financial amount to be used for something personal or developmental, and he wanted to use it to drive the agenda forward. That’s where it all started. He found PVL, and we brought them in to take us on our journey, along side us rather than selling us a solution.

What do you think is different from buying a ‘solution’ or ‘package’, and working more organically than this?

We felt listened to and like we were co-creating the solution with PVL that was right for our company.

Obviously, they have experience and ideas, and seen what works, but there was a handholding and a genuine interest in what was going to work for us.

They really tried to understand what our business was, and what our challenges were, over 80% of our people are based on a site which is not our office, it is the workplace of another company. Their site is their day-to-day location, and so that presents an engagement issue around ensuring they feel they belong to Knight Frank Promise, which can be a real challenge. They can sometimes feel like they work for the building they’re based in, rather than for us.

What was a key insight for you in finding the right solution?

The real golden nugget for us was psychological safety.  It was really important for us that our people felt they could be open and honest with each other, and that has been the core of the work that we’ve done and continue to do. It’s a work in progress.

What practical help did having an external provider offer?

PVL helped to draft the strategy and the stages of that strategy. We were able to set out the end goal and the steps to go through to get there. Then they trained our Leaders, and helped us to create and train a Champions Network.

What practical tips would you give other people looking to organise leadership wellbeing training?

Make sure your people understand why you’re doing it, and make it an authentic act. Then make sure it’s relevant to them. It’s not just sheep dipping everyone through a programme – it needs to make a difference.

After initial training was this training ‘done’, or is training also ongoing?

Training is ongoing. We continue to engage with PVL around good practice and sessions on specific issues.

We’ve held some drop-in sessions with our line managers for example. Over about six weeks we ran sessions where they can come in and simply say ‘look, I’ve got this issue’.

These work well because they are small groups and people can talk it through with each other and test ideas.

What’s the feedback from the Leaders been like? 

Excellent. Our people really bought into it. They really wanted to know ‘when can I step in? What should I be saying?’. Then, without any real encouragement from us, they were asking ‘what can I do about this?’

Fourteen people volunteered to be our mental health champions and went through the training course together. That was spine tingling in itself because, due to the nature of our work, these people don’t see each other very often, if ever. But, almost instantly, there was a safe environment created and they divulged information very openly; everything was on the table.

The training actually gave us much more than mental health awareness – it gave us social connection and wellbeing, too, with people talking to, and engaging with, colleagues. When you share personal information, you can create close bonds quickly.  

It also opens up new perspectives, from new relationships.

What’s been the biggest challenge?

Time.

Everyone is so busy being busy. And that’s not unique to our company. 

But facilities management has to be very reactive because when something goes wrong, it needs  to be fixed urgently.

But I’m also a massive advocate of taking a little bit of time out of your working day to stop and think or to reframe something – I know I’m better and more productive if I have.

How do you encourage your people to take a breather for their Wellbeing and Productivity?

On World Mental Health Day, we sent everybody in the company a Kit Kat and a little note that said ‘Take 10 minutes, enjoy your break and your Kit Kat’.

It was a small gesture, but we had lovely feedback about it.

We’ve actually got PVL coming in later on in the year to talk about giving ourselves time and space. Hoping we can give ourselves permission to look at things differently – just because it’s always been done that way doesn’t mean it’s the way we should always be doing it, right?

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With the new Employment Rights Bill rapidly progressing through parliament, and expected to be adopted in 2026, progressive employers are already taking action on menopause-friendly policies and practices.

Mansfield Building Society and global financial services group Nomura, for example, have both been just awarded Menopause Friendly Accreditation (photo above is of Nomura Wellbeing Director Kirsty McLean picking up award). In order to achieve this accreditation, both employers were assessed by an independent panel and had to demonstrate evidence of their effectiveness in five key areas: culture, policies and practices, training, engagement and working environment.

The forthcoming Bill will require that all employers with over 250 employees put a ‘Menopause Action Plan’ in place to support menopausal women. It also orders employers to provide more time for women to seek legal advice if preparing a tribunal claim related to menopause.

Deborah Garlick, CEO and Founder of Henpicked, who is speaking about menopause and wider women’s health on a panel at the The Watercooler Event next week, said:

“The Employment Rights Bill is all about employers, not just having a plan, but requiring them to act on it to change the lived experience of menopause in the workplace. It’s simply not enough to have a policy – it’s about taking action and bringing change.”

Accreditation shows commitment to employee wellbeing

Commenting on the accreditation, John Goff, Global Head of Structuring and Exec Sponsor of the Gender Balance Network at Nomura, said:

“We want everyone in Nomura to feel valued, respected and empowered in the workplace, regardless of their stage of life. Given the impact menopause can have on people’s lives, both at work and at home, we believe it’s our responsibility to ensure everyone across our business feels comfortable and supported during this journey.”

Vickie Preston, Head of People at Mansfield Building Society, said the accreditation was an important step for the employer because it signalled to employees its commitment “to putting people first”. 

Particularly proud work led by a male employee

She added that she was particularly proud that the building society’s menopause work had been led by a man, Learning and Development specialist Bob Crowe. This had led to employees wearing t-shirts saying ‘Be like Bob’ to raise awareness and spark conversations.

Preston said:

“Bob has been the heart and drive behind all we have achieved for menopause and we are very proud to have a man leading the charge and making a huge difference.”

The Menopause Friendly Accreditation was established by Henpicked in 2020 to certify high standards and proven practices that embrace menopause in the workplace. 

Menopause centre stage at The Watercooler Event

Garlick, who will be talking about this topic further at The Watercooler Event next week, said:

“Mansfield Building Society understood from the start that education is at the heart of change. It is also incredibly heartening to see the driving force behind the whole initiative is a man as we know taking such a bold stance is a great way to break barriers and taboos. This immediately dispelled gender stereotypes and encouraged other male colleagues to enter the conversation and play their part in helping the organisation become menopause friendly.”

Key to Nomura and Mansfield’s commitment to menopause in the workplace have been actions like leadership training, real-life policies which include innovations such as paid leave instead of sick leave, menopause cafes to sustain awareness levels, on-site GPs with menopause training, and qualified nutritionists.

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You can hear Deborah speak at The Watercooler Event, which takes place on 7th and 8th May 2025 at ExCeL in London, which is Europe’s leading trade show, with free-to-attend content, dedicated to creating workplaces that empower both people and business to thrive. She’s speaking on Day 1, as part of the Prevention, Intervention, Holistic & Inclusive Wellbeing stream on a panel about menopause and wider women’s health. Ruth Jackson, Chief People Officer at the Gym Group, is also speaking on this panel.

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Leading through change: 9 ways free sessions at The Watercooler and The Office Event will equip you for what’s next

Ryan Jans, Regional Head of Leasing at WeWork, is talking about one of the hottest, most controversial topics at this year’s Watercooler Event: the return-to-office mandate.

To him, this is a culture issue that is not going to be resolved by a mandate and, at the heart of success, lies an employer’s ability to foster connection and community in communal spaces. This ties in perfectly with the Mental Health Awareness Week, which runs from 12th – 18th May, and this year has the theme of ‘community’.

(Ryan will be speaking on about ‘Prioritising moments over mandates – why the future of work is driven by intention’ on Day 1 of the Watercooler Event, on 7th and 8th May at ExCel, London. For more information, see the foot of this article)

Coming from a real estate background rather than health and wellbeing, he gives us his unique perspective on the topic and his predictions for where progressive employers need to be aiming, in terms of the office space being a force for collective good.

We talked to him ahead of his appearance at The Watercooler…

You’re talking about the return to office debate. Tell me about that…

Honestly? It feels like a lot of people are regurgitating the same arguments. I actually think we’re having the wrong conversations. They are too binary.

What should we be talking about?

Office purpose. That’s the piece that seems to be missing. Covid forced us to rethink what the office is for. But that was half a decade ago, yet we are still having a debate about ‘returning to normal’. If you are still pushing for the world to ‘go back’, you are wasting your time. When it comes to the office space, some are getting it really right, and some are lagging behind. And I don’t think it has anything to do with back-to-work mandates.

What do you think offices are for now? Which companies would you say are ‘getting it right’?

The companies that are leading the way are those that understand the office now needs to be a place that people want to go to, a ‘destination workplace’.

These offices are full of great amenities that encourage collaboration, purpose and engagement. But even today, that’s also not enough. Nobody wants to show up to a shiny, well-designed office that is only 40% full, where you’re jumping on a Zoom call because most of the team isn’t there.

So, we need to go one step further. The office needs to have intention. It should foster a community where people feel like they are part of something bigger. When it’s done well, the impact is remarkable.

So how do you create community and these kinds of purpose-driven spaces?

I work with thousands of businesses all over the world, helping them rethink how they engage with their employees in our spaces. Sure, free breakfasts and lunchtime yoga classes might get people through the front door, but that’s not what builds a community.

Presence is important, but only when it’s tied to intention and connection. When I talk about intention, I’m talking about purposeful ‘micro moments’ in the day that are intentionally designed to bring people together, that may facilitate brainstorming, or bolster company culture – it’s the secret ingredient to feeling like workers belong, they’re part of a team, they have social relationships with colleagues and friends. We’re social creatures, and if all you’re focusing on is how many people show up to the office, you’re missing the point.

Can you give me an example of this?

Absolutely. Take our team in Singapore, they’ve implemented a daily lunch hour where everyone shuts down their laptops, heads to the pantry, and just chats about life. This can be about work, family, weekend plans, whatever. It’s been amazing to see how this simple change has brought the team closer and made them feel more aligned and connected.

Do you think, from what you’ve seen, there is an ‘ideal’ number of days to work at home and the office?

Honestly, as cliché as it is, there is no one-size-fits-all answer, because every business has its own culture, needs and priorities. That being said, we are definitely seeing a trend toward the formalisation of hybrid working, where teams come together on specific days, usually about three days a week.

Can you tell us about any companies who you think have got it right?

Currys is a great example. They were located on the outskirts of London, but they made the bold move to a more central, high-quality space that is designed for connection and productivity. They leverage their office space to bring central teams together, improve corporate efficiency but also build that invaluable community and culture. And it’s paying off.

How can you measure the ‘success’ of a space?

As other experts in the industry will know, measuring ROI in office spaces has become a lot trickier. Five years ago when you were having a real estate discussion, it was generally with the Head of Corporate Real Estate or the Chief Financial Officer looking at numbers and statistics. Today, it’s more common to see the Head of People or HR involved in these conversations, who are responsible for keeping a pulse on how employees are feeling, and what their overall experience is like.

It’s less about hard metrics  like badge swipes, and more about staff churn, NPS scores, and listening circles and surveys that tap into how happy employees are actually feeling in the office.  Why? Because the value of coming in should outweigh the cost of commuting.

How do Curry’s measure the success of their space?

They take a close look at how their space is being used, tweaking work models, adjusting layouts, and finding ways to make things more engaging. They also check in with employees through surveys to see how everyone’s feeling. Curry’s is a great example of a company that really gets their workforce. The feedback has been positive, and their office utilisation is very strong.

How does a diverse workforce play into the role of the overall workplace experience?

The connection and community of an office can build relationships with like-minded individuals, and also people that have a completely different background or lifestyle to you. The power of this cannot be overstated. At the office, work projects, deadlines, tasks create a shared interest and a goal to hit. There’s a sense of togetherness, and it’s the role of the workplace to facilitate this connection.

Something I have noticed is a widening gap between generational workers. We’re seeing younger generations pushing businesses to be more thoughtful about managing the psychological contract that exists between a worker and a workplace, and they’re not afraid to call businesses out on it. My view is, let’s open the lid on these conversations. It’s incredibly important to figure out ways to move forward and innovate.

What do you think will be the big trends regarding workplaces over the next year?

Like I said earlier, I think we’re going to continue to see the formalisation of hybrid work; a continued shift from an unstructured to structured model. It’s true that certain industries and professions will need to come together 5 days a week, but the majority of industries will figure out and land on a hybrid set up that works for them.

Also, I think younger workers will start flocking back to central hubs in big cities. They’re craving culture, energy, and a huge range of opportunities to socialise that you can only really get in big cities. I can definitely see that becoming a big trend.

What are you most looking forward to at The Watercooler Event?

I’m looking forward to hearing other experts talk about how they are thinking about the future of the office, and the trends they’re seeing firsthand. We’ve made so much progress as an industry, but the world of work is changing fast, and so is the office. We’re all constantly coming up with new ideas and fresh perspectives, so it’s exciting to be part of that.

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You can hear Ryan speak at The Watercooler Event, which takes place on 7th and 8th May 2025 at ExCeL in London, which is Europe’s leading trade show, with free-to-attend content, dedicated to creating workplaces that empower both people and business to thrive. 

You can find out more and register to attend here.

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